Poll: Should Right Turns on Red be Prohibited at Intersections Equipped With Red Light Cameras?
State Sen. Shirley Turner has introduced legislation that would make it illegal for drivers to make right turns on red signals at intersections controlled by red light traffic enforcement camera systems like one intersection on Route 1 in Lawrence.
State Sen. Shirley Turner (D-Lawrence Township) last week introduced legislation that would make it illegal for drivers to make right turns during red lights at intersection where there is located red light traffic enforcement camera systems, such as the intersection of Route 1 (Brunswick Pike) and Bakers Basin Road/Franklin Corner Road in Lawrence Township.
Bill S2230 – a copy of which can be found in PDF format in the Patch media box to the right – “prohibits right turns on a red signal at intersections with traffic control signal monitoring systems (‘red light cameras’) and requires a sign to be posted near the traffic light indicating that such turns are prohibited,” according to a summary included within the legislation.
“The bill further provides that additional signage is required at intersections in safe corridors with red light cameras notifying drivers that the fine for a violation of the traffic light is double the amount otherwise specified by current law.”
The bill has been referred to the state Senate’s Transportation Committee for review.
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Right turns on red are currently legal at many of these intersections, including the one in Lawrence Township, but a driver is required both to come to a complete stop before making the turn and to also make that stop at or within a car length of the “stop line” painted on the roadway.
Failure to come to a complete stop or making the required stop too far beyond the marked “stop line” will result in the driver receiving a ticket for a red light violation. Fine amounts are doubled in many cases, including the one in Lawrence, because the intersection being controlled by the red light camera system is located within a state-designed “safe corridor” area.
”So many of my constituents have been outraged. They believe it is so unfair. They don’t know they have broken the law until they get a ticket in the mail,” Turner, who represents the state’s 15th Legislative District, told The Lawrence Ledger.
Complaints about the red light camera system in Lawrence prompted township officials in December 2011 – just two months after the cameras went “live” at Route 1 and Bakers Basin Road/Franklin Corner Road – to issue a “fact sheet” explaining why some motorists were being cited for making right turns on red and why each violation, at that time, resulted in fines totaling $140.
That fact sheet read:
The Township of Lawrence and County of Mercer have mutually entered into a contract with American Traffic Solutions (ATS) to provide photo enforcement service at the intersection of Brunswick Pike (Route One) and Franklin Corner Road / Bakers Basin Road. It is important to note that this service is paid on a flat monthly rental rate. The vendor is not paid on a per ticket basis. Also, the Town is protected in that if revenue received from the program does not match the rental fee, then the town is not responsible for the difference. This means that there is no financial risk to the taxpayers.
As previously stated, Mercer County has opted into the project as is their right according to law. The county receives half of the fine portion and is responsible to pay half of the monthly rental fee for the camera system.
The Amber light phase time of the intersection is not set by the vendor or the Township of Lawrence. Brunswick Pike (Route One) is a state highway and therefore, the signal times are set by the New Jersey Department of Transportation. The Amber light phase time has not changed due to the installation of this system.
The Township of Lawrence has given ATS specific guidance to determine if a red light violation should in fact be forwarded to the police department for the issuance of a summons. Contained within these guidelines is the fact that an offending vehicle must fail to stop at the intersection. If a vehicle completely stops at the intersection, then there is no summons issued, even if the stop is completed past the designated stop line.
Motorists must take note that the failure to stop at or near the stop line of the intersection will result in the issuance of the summons. It is also important to note that New Jersey Law requires vehicles to stop at the stop line prior to making a right turn on red. Lawrence Township guidelines require vehicles to stop in the area of the stop line within one car length for a violation to be issued. For example, if a vehicle stops three feet past the stop line but does come to a complete stop, no summons will be issued.
“Caravanning” is not allowed under New Jersey law. Therefore, if a motorist is stopped in a line of traffic and intends on making a right turn on red, the vehicle must stop within a car length of the stop line prior to or after the stop line in order to avoid being issued a summons. If a vehicle is at least one or more than one car length prior to the stop line and fails to stop from any point further on during a right on red turn, the vehicle will be subject to a summons.
Right turns on red are allowed at this intersection on the Franklin Corner Road and Bakers Basin Road sides, but a vehicle can only make a right turn on red if the vehicle completely stops at the intersection. “Rolling stops” are not considered complete stops and will result in the issuance of a summons.
It is important to note that this intersection does allow for pedestrian crossing. There are clearly marked crosswalks painted on the roadway that are located after the designated stop lines. Pedestrians routinely cross this intersection at all hours of the day. This is an important reason why vehicles making a right turn on red must stop within a cars length of the stop line.
The ATS camera system contains a digital camera and an additional video recorder. For every violation, the system takes two still digital photos. The first photo is at the stop line and the second photo is of the vehicle proceeding through the intersection. For each violation, a video clip of the violation is included with the violation package.
Motorists should note that since the digital camera has a sensor in the roadway near the stop line, there are numerous times that the camera flash will activate to take a photo. However, if the vehicle that activated the camera and flash does stop and does not go through the intersection in violation of the law, there is no summons issued. This is the reason why motorists often observe “flashes” when there is no vehicle running a red light.
After ATS reviews the incident and compares it to the guidelines for the Lawrence Township Photo Enforcement Program, they only forward potential violations packages on to the police department that violate the guidelines. A sworn police officer reviews each violation package to determine if in fact there is a violation of New Jersey Law. If a vehicle is found to be in violation, then the officer issues the summons electronically and the summons is mailed out to the offender. It is important to note that the summons is issued by a Lawrence Township Police Officer, not the vendor.
According to New Jersey law, a summons issued by a police officer under this program is issued as a violation of N.J.S. 39:4-81(c). The penalty imposed for this violation is a fine only. There are no points accessed regarding this violation.
It is also important to note that this entire intersection is designated by New Jersey Law as being part of the safe corridor law. Therefore, by state law, the fines are doubled for any moving violations at this location, including a red light running violation. Motorists who are issued a summons for this violation and who are found guilty, will be assessed an amount of $ 140.00. The amount of the summons is broken down as follows:
Fine Amount:
- Lawrence Township $55 (double $27.50 due to stretch of road being a NJ Safe Corridor)
- Mercer County $55 (double $27.50 due to stretch of road being a NJ Safe Corridor)
Costs - Municipality $18.50
Mandatory Funds (ATS, ATSM, EMTFF) - $5.50
- Special State Assessments:
- Body Armor Replacement Fund $1.00
- NJ Spinal Cord Research Fund $1.00
- NJ DNA Lab Fee $2.00
- Autism Medical Research and Treatment Fund $1.00
- NJ Brain Injury Fund $1.00
The total is $140.
Tom Comisky
7:17 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
Right on red has no bearing on the intersection of bakers basin and route1, both north and south bound have jug handles...
Lana
8:13 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
Right on red does have a bearing at that intersection as my husband and I each got tickets turning right onto route 1 south from Franklin Corner Rd. His ticket was $140 and mine was $85. I came to complete stop but they said my front tires weren't behind white line. I don't agree with this legislation while I appreciate Senator Turner's efforts to spare drivers from this. Why should the ability to turn right on red...after stopping...be taken away and inconvenience drivers? Why not just quit issuing tickets to those who do turn right on red?
Michael Ratcliffe
8:38 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
Franklin Corner Road and Bakers Basin Road are also covered by the red light camera system in Lawrence. A large number of violations issued at that intersection are for motorists making "improper" right turns on red. For example, according to the police department's 2011 annual report, a total of 2,003 summonses were issued for red light violations captured by the camera system from mid-November 2011 to Dec. 31, 2011. (The camera system was turned on in October 2011 but the first 30 days were a test period during which only warnings were issued.) Of those 2,003 summonses, according to the police annual report, 1,158 were for vehicles entering the intersection from the right lane of Franklin Corner Road onto Route 1, and 374 for vehicles entering Route 1 from the right lane of Bakers Basin Road. Here's the breakdown of the remainder of those 2,003 violations: Route 1 North Left Lane 79; Route 1 North Right Lane 62; Route 1 South Left Lane 65; Route 1 South Right Lane 44; Franklin Corner Road Left Lane 71; Franklin Corner Road Center Lane 59; and Bakers Basin Road Left Lane 91.
Tom Comisky
1:41 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
I stand corrected. I was thinking of only Route 1 and not Franklin corner road.
Chris
7:39 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
First, our Senators should really be spending time solving REAL state/community problems not ones DOT caused.
Next, I thought red light cameras were in place to catch people who run a red light? Turning on red has nothing to do with the cameras if they are working properly.
I have been at that intersection numerous times an saw it go off with no one in the intersection or it goes off when the direction that has the green is turning left to go southbound on Rt1.
I would say our tax dollars are better spent by fixing the cameras to work properly, verses spending money to pass this legislation. Just saying....
Kirk LeCompte
9:11 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
What percentage of accidents have been caused by people turning right on red at this intersection? I ask because 75% of the summonses appear to be for right turn violations as opposed to what we all think of as running a red light. The point of the system is to make the intersection safer. If no accidents are happening b/c of right turns, then why are we enforcing that part of the law? If some accidents are happening, then it seems reasonable to enforce it. However, it sounds like the definition of a "safe stop" for the purposes of issuing a summons needs refining to allow a greater distance from the white line, and also to allow rolling stops that are under 2 miles per hour (or some appropriate, very slow speed). Even police cars turn right on red with a rolling stop when there are no cars anywhere near the intersection. Does the camera system take photo/video evidence of oncoming traffic that might be endangered by a vehicle turning right? If there's no traffic, then how is a slow, rolling stop unsafe? For what it's worth, I'm one of those people who simply refuse to turn right-on-red at this particular intersection b/c I don't trust the process, especially in the face of over 1500 right-turn-tickets per month. No tickets for me yet. And apparently others understand, b/c no one has honked at me either.
madm
10:05 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
I agree, I won't make a right on red at this intersection either. We should be able to make aright turn on red with out fear of a $140 ticket.
Ravi Bhatia
11:21 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
Agreed. Where's the data that proves that safe (stop - check - go) right turns at such intersections have caused avoidable accidents. We need to evaluate every intersection and make a decision based on the historical data/probability of future accidents for every intersection.
LawrencevilleMom
11:21 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
That intersection is a problem no matter what law you put in place. It backs up in most directions for quite a distance for a significant time frame around the rush hours. Many accidents happen there every year, but I don't think they are related to turns. I think they are the result of (a) running red lights and, ironically, (b) rear-end collisions because 1 driver expected another to blast through the yellow/red light. To outlaw right-on-red turns would jam it up even more, with no real safety benefit. Pedestrian crossings should be outlawed or made safer in some way. That is REALLY dangerous!
Sanriobaby
4:58 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
I agree, that intersection is quite dangerous because there are too many drivers who are in a rush. But I don't agree w/getting rid of the pedestrian crossing. It needs to be there, not everyone has a car or wants to drive down the road when they can just walk. The real danger is that the traffic lights doesn't allow for a reasonable amount of time for pedestrians to cross safely. With the possibility of that new strip mall being approved where Mrs. G's is currently located, there's even a greater need for sidewalks and safer pedestrian crossings, since the new strip mall will bring even more foot and car traffic to the area. I know I, along w/my friends and family have all decided in order to avoid any chance of getting a ticket, we either avoid that intersection all together or we just don't turn right on red at Franklin Corner Road.
OldWiseOne
11:57 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
I have been boycotting that intersection for the past six months. I use Princeton Pike as an alternative. However I can only go about 45 mph on it.
Tom
12:11 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
"The point of the system is to make the intersection safer."
Wrong. The purpose of the system is to generate revenue without appearing to be increasing taxes. Otherwise, why would they care that your tires were 6 inches beyond the white line when you stopped?
Tom Comisky
1:48 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
Agreed! The first mistake is to think that the cameras were put there to make it "safer". Let's face it, they were put there to generate $$$.
Chief Wahoo
2:48 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
WE DONT NEED MORE LAWS !!!!!!!!
JUST DONT TURN ON RED !!!!!!!!
7 out
5:38 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
I don't turn right on red at any light with these stupid cameras.
Patrick
7:34 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
I just don't turn on red there now and stop at least 3 feet behind the white line... I can't afford a judgement call for $140 bucks, and the other day the guy behind me laid on his horn, then backed up into the gas station and turned turned south for there... I know I was slowing down traffic, but I also know I didn't get a ticket.
Also how many of you slow down in approaching the light just in case it turns yellow, wouldn't want to stop over the white line.. The point is, the cameras are making us worse drivers cause we react not to the traffic around us but to technology and fear.
I shared on here on an earlier post how the light turned yellow and I hade to brake, and had a large truck behind me, who barely stopped in time before hitting me.
CaptainReality
8:26 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
There is no reason to ban right turn on red there. Just Stop, Look, and then Go. Is that too complicated? Take the extra second to stop. Why inconvenience the people who can. Also If you were given a ticket for stopping pass the line, it was a mistake and you should come to court. Officers are not suppose to issue if a stop is made in the video. It will be reviewed by the prosecutor and if you stopped, they will dismiss. Mistakes do happen in everything in life.
Stinki Garbaage
10:20 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
what's the purpose of this bill anyway? According to Ms. Turner stopping people from turning right on red will solve the problem of people getting tickets by faulty camera systems???
Does this smack anyone else as being preposterous? Even though we know the system is faulty, our solution is to pass a law restricting movement that would otherwise be allowed?
Wasted time and money by clueless government officials.
grill master
7:58 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
It's amazing how these cameras make people forget how to drive. Makes you wonder if they ever really knew how to drive at all.
Make the turn on red, just do it correctly and you have nothing to worry about. No, instead you choose to back up traffic for everyone else because you think you are more important.
Kirk LeCompte
11:21 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
Perhaps. It would be reassuring if someone would report on just how many drivers turned right on red and didn't receive a summons. It's not about importance, it's about faith in the technology. I want to believe it works well, but when all you hear are the stories of people who claim to have done it correctly and still got a summons, it makes you overly cautious. After all, the whole thing is described as a test system, is it not? As a software engineer, I know how beta tests both work and don't work.
Linda
2:18 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
This is what happens when people can't govern their own behavior. I am sick to death of government interference with everything in ours lives. Talk about a "nanny state", it gets worse everyday. If we would stop re-electing the same lib nuts, who want all our money and complete control of every aspect of our lives, maybe, just maybe we would be better off. Make us safer they say??? I won't turn right anywhere there is a camera. Has anyone ever seen what happens to someone who goes to court without a lawyer to fight the system? You lose! To hell with all the debt they have created! They won't get my money!
Theodore Young
3:54 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
Most drivers don't stop at all. A cyclist almost got nailed at an intersection of route 46 and New Road in Parsippany, NJ, by a non-stopping right turn on red motorist. This is also problematic for pedestrians who might have the okay to walk signal but the motorist approaching the intersection looking only one way and if the pedestrian steps out in front of him could get run over. At least prohibit it during rush hour. What's the point in sticking your nose out there when there's heavy traffic and you can't go anywhere anyway?